Jason isbell announces new album and 5 nights at The Ryman


You know, Jerry, you seem to get annoyed whenever anyone speaks up about racism or sexism, and I’m genuinely curious about why. Do you think these things don’t exist? Do you think these systems can’t be dismantled, so why bother? Is it just not your problem? Do you find the triteness of caring about issues to be cringe-worthy? It’s just so weird to me that you spend the same amount of time it would take to try to make positive change in the world as you do denouncing those same efforts. Why is that?

I didn’t weigh in on this one because it felt like piling on Mutineer, and enough people said what I think. I totally get where you’re coming from, @mutineer , Isbell is unapologetic about “being an asshole” to people who have different beliefs from him. I can see why that would be annoying and hypocritical. I still think that flawed allies are better than no allies though, so it’s a wash for me. It’s way worse when the majority doesn’t even try to lift the minority, marginalized, or maligned to their level.


Can we all just agree that he’s not that cunt Ryan Adams?


And maybe “clown” was a bit strong. He’s a limousine liberal. A preachy limousine liberal. I actually agree with a lot of what he has to say, but I hate the preachiness. I still like his music a lot. Except for White Man’s World, but mostly because it’s badly written. So is Anxiety on that album. Look, I’m as glad as the next person that he’s not writing yet another song about a Marine. I’m glad he’s writing more political stuff. I think Overseas is a brilliant song. I could just do without the moral grandstanding, but the solution to that is not to read his tweets.


But seriously, nobody remembers how we used to make fun of Isbell’s soldier songs back on the .org? There was some thread about a woman cheating on her husband when he was deployed, and someone posted that we needed to hear from Isbell about the moral questions related to that. Nobody?


You’ve made some fair points. I don’t do causes. I’m more of a one to one person. And I don’t feel the need to share my good deeds or moral beliefs on the internet for a fucking stranger’s approval. I’ve helped plenty of folks over the years. Some monetarily. Some needed help moving. Some were being harassed. They came to me for help. These are Males, Females, Blacks, Whites, Homosexuals & most recently Transgender. And I’m the guy who takes care of the feral cats (they are my pride & joy). I’m the big brother at work. For some odd reason…I’m the go to guy.

But, preaching on social media doesn’t accomplish a whole hell of a lot in my opinion. It just seems like attention whoring a good part of the time.


I’m also not a fan of people continuously preaching on social media. Although as you said, Jerry it is easy enough to unfollow someone who annoys you.

I’ve never been someone who tries to persuade anyone into sharing an opinion of mine. I tend to keep my opinions to myself - especially on social media.

I just don’t feel the need to somehow try to move the needle when there are millions of others already trying. Having said that, I don’t have a problem with other people giving their opinions… it just gets tiring when that’s all of what their content is.


Dougo, that sums it up perfectly. I wish I was better with words. Too many folks practice the art of “denouncing” the evils of society on social media. It’s too easy to sit on our asses…high up on our moral pedestals & type that kind of shit. And then sit back & feel some sense of pride like we actually accomplished something because others “like” or “thumbs up” what we typed.


I would argue that that is your perception of what is going on. The point of me broadcasting my views is to communicate what is socially acceptable to me, that’s how society works. We don’t have a contingent of out and proud pedophiles doing marches in the street, right? Why is that? Because it’s anti-social behavior that is taboo within our established society. Just because people are (also) typing this stuff out on computers doesn’t mean they’re not doing anything to affect change in the real world.

I understand your choice to not participate in what you consider to be moral grandstanding, but the issue I have is with you, as a white male, tearing down other white males for standing up for the advancement of women and people of color. Not all advocates are created equal, and as infuriating as it may be, my advocacy matters less than your advocacy. Peer approval matters.

Here’s an excerpt I found that does a good job of explaining why your opinion is important:

The answer to this question matters more than one might think. To be successful, advocacy efforts should involve explaining why male advocates are important. Here are two reasons to help lay a solid foundation:

Reason 1: Increasing diverse participation is not a women’s issue (or an issue relevant only to other underrepresented groups). Diversity and inclusivity are business issues, and they are human issues. We know that businesses profit from the many benefits that diverse perspectives bring to innovation and company competitiveness.

In addition, majority group members (e.g., men, white people, able-bodied people) also stand to benefit from increased diversity. For instance, in the case of gender diversity, men, not just women, are held to restrictive gender standards that limit their potential and the kinds of things they are able to do (e.g., spend more time with family). Since these are issues that affect everyone, everyone should be working on them.

Reason 2: Men currently hold a majority of formal and informal positions of power in tech, so they are able to have a great deal of influence on the current climate–whether it be in subtle everyday moments or in changing larger systems. In fact, men in tech are often in a better position to influence these dynamics compared to most women. The importance of using one’s formal or informal power is also true of other advocacy efforts.

I mean, sure, fine, refrain from speaking up when you see something that’s wrong if it’s on the internet, but don’t tear down other men from communicating that what’s going on is not okay by them. How are things ever supposed to get better if we shame people into silence when they try to help?


So, it’s not okay to criticize him for being annoying because of what he advocates for? Sorry, I don’t agree with that.


I’m not actually talking about Jason Isbell, I’m responding to Jerry.


Got it. Sorry.


I certainly hope that you don’t believe that I think your advocacy matters less than mine. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. I certainly don’t think I’m better than anyone. And here comes the big, hairy but…when folks keep preaching the same thing over and over and over. It’s only a matter of time before others either become annoyed with it or just numb to it.

Anyone & everyone can preach to their heart’s content. It’s their right. It’s just become tired for me. It’s being done to death. That’s why I’m tuning out. I’m not burying my head in the sand & pretending these issues don’t exist. But, I’m one person. My opinion won’t change anything. The best I can offer is what I’ve been doing my whole life. And that’s helping individuals if and when I can. I don’t care about their gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. I’ll help anyone if I’m able to. Except my brother. I’ve already helped him to the sum of almost $15,000. And it’s not like I’m filthy rich either.




I don’t know if you are being sarcastic or not. I like that he’s diverting profits made from a piece of shit’s work to do actual good.


No, I’m not being sarcastic. I think it’s great that he’s doing that. He doesn’t have to tweet it out for the moral grandstanding, though.


I guess I disagree. I’d rather distance myself from this asshole than people think I’m profitting from this guy’s success. Keep in mind- this guy’s popularity has soared SINCE the video of him being a racist fuck came out. So what should Jason do? If he keeps quiet, it makes it seem like none of it matters to him because he’s being paid. I don’t think it’s grandstanding to say you not only don’t co-sign this bullshit, but you also refuse to benefit from it.


Also keep in mind where Jason grew up. There’s nothing wrong with showing that you don’t have to be a victim of your environment. Judging him for doing the right thing hits little too close to Laura Ingraham telling LeBron James to “shut up and dribble” when he spoke out about injustices. They have a platform to speak. I’m good with them using it.


Okay, I take your point. I guess I’m viewing it in the context of his constant grandstanding, but you’re right about the conundrum.


What exactly is grandstanding for? To me, it seems like he’s perpetuating decency. I would have a problem with him speaking out if he himself didn’t adhere to such standards. If it’s because he thinks he’s better than the circumstances he grew up with, and considering it was Alabama, good for him.