Oh dear...


I guess if he didn’t make a career out of sadbastardshetreatedmewrongsadrelationship songs it wouldn’t be so fucking righteous that he’s being called out for being a garden variety dick.


I was never much of a Louis CK fan. He always kind of reminded me of a real life George Costanza manifested into existence, which is just sad and pitiful. The real issue we’re getting at is that even in the supposed era of “woke capitalism” if there’s money to be made off a product it will be sold. Corporations, regardless of how woke they pretend to be, only care about turning a profit.


I was listening to stand-up on Sirius XM radio the other day ‘Raw Dog’ channel (the one with the cursing) and they were playing Louis CK stuff. No idea how long they have been doing it, hadn’t listened to it in years.



If that’s near your house, it should say ‘PEDOS.’


We played at some garden parties this weekend. There was a very nice couple singing together and I couldn’t quite place the song. Then I realized it was Winding Wheel and I got a little put off. It was just my automatic reaction. Later I told my husband I kind of flinched when I realized they were doing a Ryan Adams song. He said “you mean that Wonder Wheel song?”


Wonder wheel sounds like it could be a Medley.



No surprise there, in regards to Ryan. I was excited at the idea of hearing music they made together though.



So how long do you think she can ride the “my ex was a horrible person so listen to my music” train before people figure out her music is just average at best?


I think it’s more the press that’s dragging that around. Click bait. She’s married to a musician. I doubt she’s wanting to have RA attached to her new music.


From the article “The lyrics are general enough that anyone can hear his or her own life in them, yet they’re also specific and well-drawn enough to make you wonder why there aren’t more songs about this specific feeling” – I’m assuming the author just doesn’t listen to any music? Because this general theme is everywhere. There’s plenty of songs about losing oneself in something, someone, or well, drugs.


I heard a snippet of a song on Twitter and it was pretty bland. I did read that Ryan’s former bandmate and friend plays on the album, along with Dawes. They’re also pretty bland.


Let’s remember that she was a teen pop star riding the Spears/Aguilera coattails. So…we shouldn’t expect much from her ‘musical career’ anyway.


Hard pass.

Not spending a lot of energy following through on re-starting her musical career seems like a rare stroke of good judgement on Ryan’s part to me.

By all accounts she’s a decent actress though.


I think my daughter might have had her CD when she was 7 or 8 though…


Fuck Mandy Moore & her shit music. She should just stick to acting. She saved Ryan Adams’ fans from themselves by helping stop him from releasing what was likely to be three mediocre (at best) albums this year. There would have been multiple editions of limited edition, colored vinyl & bonus singles. And his diehards would have spent a shitload of cash to get every version of these mediocre albums. Let’s be honest, his output the last 12 years doesn’t leave one optimistic that any of these three records were going to be mindblowing to anyone but Ryan & his insufferable sycophants. You did a good deed Mandy Moore. But, you’ve lost any goodwill from me by using your sob story marriage to Ryan to promote your own shitty music. You saved hard working, music fans from Ryan in 2019 but couldn’t save them from yourself.


You guys act like she’s bringing Ryan up to sell her single. I haven’t seen that anywhere. She’s not Taylor Swifting this shit and constantly bringing up Kanye to get sympathy/sales.


This is the first I’ve heard of the new Mandy Moore release, so yeah I wouldn’t say she’s using Ryan to promote it much. Taylor Goldsmith (Dawes) is her fiance (or husband?) now btw.

Liz Phair is such a divisive figure to me. Exile in Guyville is such a great album and I still listen to it, but man a lot of her other music is awful. Selling out is fine if you just admit that’s what you’re doing. But when she tried to turn the media backlash around on those commercial albums it really seemed ill advised. I’m sure there was some sexism involved in the reviews, but it was objectively bad pop music made by someone in their late 30s (with Avril Lavigne’s producers) who had been an indie darling at one point. And some of what she said in that article sounded pretty out of touch. I don’t feel sorry for someone whose dad was a doctor and supposedly Oberlin was the best college they could get into because they screwed around in high school. We should all be so lucky.